forest light

Thursday, May 11, 2006

God is LAME, yeah, I said it, LAME!

IF, IF there is a God and he is capable of forgiveness, why didn’t he just forgive Adam and Eve of their ‘sin’? Why make the rest of us suffer for their sins? He sacrificed his son, Mr. JC, for our sins, but evidently it’s just as hard to get into heaven now as it was then. And why is the Adam and Eve sin not covered in the 10 commandments? My bible doesn’t have curiosity as a sin. It doesn’t have disobeying the word of god as a sin, either. Listening to a snake didn't make the list either. Their sin was SOOO bad that we die and have the pain of childbirth, but that particular din didn't make God's Top 10 Sin List. Hmmm.....Deuteronomy 5: 1. have no other gods (to give your money to) 2. don’t make idols of another god (borders on redundancy of #1) 3.don’t say stuff like God is bull, or God stinks 4. no shopping on Sunday (someone’s working there, right?) 5. Honor mommy and daddy 6. no murder (unless they’re heathens) 7. no adultery 8. no stealing 9. no lying 10. the clutch ending…drumroll please…hear it comes…don’t covet your neighbor’s stuff, especially his wife. (Wasn’t that covered in #7?) Think about it – the list is LAME!!! And anyway, God is the one that tempted Adam and Eve in the garden. If he wanted them to be mindless sheep, then he should have put the tree somewhere else! What kind of idiot-God would be able to create the universe and everything in it, and then mess it up so royally!! People, please. Spirituality is something to investigate. Do it while you burn your stupid Bible and don’t be a chicken to think that some boogey man is going to jump out from under your bed if you do it. There is so much that we should try to figure out. The world is not flat. Be curious, not afraid. What an idiot’s paradox to say that God is testing you by tempting you to waver from your stupid sheep-like qualities of believing on faith alone. If God wanted you to be a mindless sheep and just ‘believe on faith’, then he wouldn’t have put the tree of knowledge at your front door. AGAIN, if God wanted you to believe in HIM on faith and love of God alone, then there would be no point of revealing the tree of knowledge. Why did He put the tree there and tell you not to eat it? He didn’t. The book was written by crafty men who were trying to organize a rambunctious society. They were trying to make the point that you shouldn't ask questions. 'Do it because we said so.' Noble goals for the times, but this is thousands of years later. It’s time for a more sophisticated spirituality.

posted by light in the forest @ 9:54 PM  

29 Comments:

  • At 10:06 PM, Blogger light in the forest said…

    Oh my God - my house is on fire!!!

     

  • At 10:06 PM, Blogger light in the forest said…

    Just kidding...

     

  • At 6:22 AM, Blogger sparringK9 said…

    /bark bark bark

    and covered in locusts! hahahaha
    more later.

    /grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

     

  • At 1:39 PM, Blogger Infinitesimal said…

    Hey,

    I agree with you.
    I really wish you would check out Zecheria Sitchen, he agrees with you too.

    Google:
    Sitchen-Ninharsaag-The Adamu

    You will see there is foundation to what you say.
    No tree of knowledge... no no no.

    I WISH SOMEONE could feel me on this one.

     

  • At 9:59 AM, Blogger velvet acid tongue said…

    yes ... yes .. yes ...

    i wholeheartedly agree ... what a great post! The Bible is fiction and God is a concept invented by a bunch of men in an attempt to subjugate humanity ...

    and what is that Pascal said ... 'man does no greater evil when he does it in the name of religion ...'

     

  • At 8:51 AM, Blogger Infinitesimal said…

    Hello my friend,

    PLEASE go here:

    http://confusionoftongues.blogspot.com/

    thank you.

     

  • At 8:00 PM, Blogger sparringK9 said…

    /bark bark bark

    i saw earlier that the devil came to visit you but apparently in *its* omnipotence it decided against it and deleted *its* comment. *it* wrote "be mine".

    i know cause i had a visit too and went to the site before it sunk into the fiery pits. i wanted to leave *it* a comment but when i went back, *it* was gone.

    im really disappointed too cause i was pretty sure *it* doesnt think God is lame and wouldve added so much to this conversation.

    /grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

     

  • At 8:52 PM, Blogger sparringK9 said…

    hey forest,

    i read about what stirred your soul. follow me home and see....gn

     

  • At 9:34 AM, Blogger sparringK9 said…

    /bark bark bark

    i can't say it better than this, Forest Light, so here goes:

    St John tells us that the other enemy is the
    lust of the eyes, a deep-seated avariciousness
    that leads us to appreciate only what we can
    touch.

    Such eyes are glued to earthly things
    and, consequently, they are blind to supernatu-
    ral realities.

    We can, then, use this expression
    of sacred Scripture to indicate that disordered
    desire for material things, as well as that
    deformation which views everything around us—other people, the circumstances of our life
    and of our age—with just human vision.

    Then the eyes of our soul grow dull. Reason
    proclaims itself sufficient to understand every-
    thing, without the aid of God.

    This is a subtle
    temptation, which hides behind the power of
    our intellect, given by our Father God to man
    so that he might know and love him freely.

    Seduced by this temptation, the human mind
    appoints itself the center of the universe, being
    thrilled with the prospect that "you shall be like
    gods.

    So filled with love for itself, it turns
    its back on the love of God.

    -josemaria escriva

    i never write about religion on my own blog and i am not all that interested in debating it. it feels like a pointless exercise in futility to me.

    i will say this: i didn't choose God out of fear, or sheepiness, or to get to heaven or avoid hell. i chose it for the here and right now, and for what it's worth, when i apply the discipline consciously, my outlook and attitude and behavior are greatly improved.

    all the things you write about in this post, i dont feel insulted by it at all because it doesnt define me. but i hope you get where this one dog is coming from with the quote above. the money line being the last.

    /grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

     

  • At 11:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I do think that man's idea of God is lame! (for all the reasons you point out, and maybe a few more)

    What is the definition of God? There are many, I am sure. The All in All ?

    What ever the Ultimate God is - there may be some clues as to how man came to worship the sun, lighting - whatever. I have wondered about the myths of the past. Were/are they myths - or was there some basis? Star Trek had answers.

    If early man had been visited by advanced beings from the "Universe" it would start to make sense. (no long argument here - just a thought)

    I really like your bolg and the comments!

    Gary

     

  • At 9:53 AM, Blogger Infinitesimal said…

    K9)
    I like to imagine that if I can see things others cannot, then it is up to me to illustrate through action and example, the things that I see, to embody them.
    make sense?

    Suzi and FLight)
    House is a euphamism for soul, did you know that?

     

  • At 10:52 AM, Blogger sparringK9 said…

    /bark bark bark

    vanille, yes it does. what i am saying is not that i am seeing literally something that others do not. i am saying i do not think that whatever is touchable and knowable concretely in the temporal world is all there is.

    as far as illustration thru action? i have a long way to go.

    /grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

     

  • At 10:57 PM, Blogger Aunty Belle said…

    Ohmygoodness....Forest LadyLight
    ...LAwdy lawdy...chile'.

    FL said: "why didn’t he just forgive Adam and Eve of their ‘sin’? Why make the rest of us suffer for their sins?"

    On account of Adam and Eve has already been given Dominion over the earth. Just as the Princess inherits what her mama Queen left behind
    (broken and jumbled kingdom) we inherit what our proto-parents left us.

    FL said: "He sacrificed his son, Mr. JC, for our sins, but evidently it’s just as hard to get into heaven now as it was then."

    Well, not exactly, sugar pie, when Adam sinned, the gates (metaphor) of heaven were closed. The sacrifce of the perfect "lamb", Jesus, opened the gates for those who choose to come.

    (side note: Heaven is perfect--no sin there, so, no sin allowed to come there. Sin disfigures the original creation of Man, Jesus restores it for those who choose Him.)

    FL: "And why is the Adam and Eve sin not covered in the 10 commandments? My bible doesn’t have curiosity as a sin. It doesn’t have disobeying the word of god as a sin, either. Listening to a snake didn't make the list either."

    Shur, chile' the Ten Commandments DO cover the sin of Adam and Eve: I am the Lord Thy God, thy Shalt Not Have False Gods Before Me". They choose the a serpent (Satan/evil) rather than their Creator. But---the TEN Commandments come long after the Garden of Eden.

    Adam and Eve were created perfect, but with free will...see, God doan want no puppets on a string. Neither does you, I bet. You wanna boyfriend that does exactly what you program him to do or say or think? (Not much fun --well, OK, maybe for a little while, but not fer long) Wanna child that does whatever yore script says? Or ya want the joy of a child who is her own person? Especially when she does her won thing, but is good, not deliberately bad. God is the same (think of Pinocchio...he wanted to be a real boy, not a puppet...and that hhappened only when he excercised free will off his strings!!)

    God respects our choices precisely because He created us free. If He keeps overrulin' the choices we make, then He would be denying our freedom to choose. BUT, He does warn us to choose good and not evil. Just
    as a parent warns their child to make good choices (don't speed, wear yer seatbelt, don't smoke, don't cheat), and though the child is free to ignore that instuction, there may be horrific consequences. Same for Adam--he was free to choose ANYthing but the tree of knowledge, but Adam trusted Satan not God.

    Supppose yer daughter hears ya telling her she can go anywhar in town but to the Red Light Road. But she--despite knowin' ya love her so much (God "walked with Adam in the cool of the day") yer daughter listens instead to the sleeziest moll in town and shur enough, ignores you, and "believes" Sleeze, goes to Red Light Road and ends up in the control of the most sadistic pimp in history. Now she "belongs to" Pimp.

    How ya gonna get her back? Gonna let her come home if she insists that Pimp comes too? And that they use yer house for his "business."? And they want yer baby boy too, for pedophile clients? You gonna welcome that home? Would that hep her none?

    Now about that Ten COmmandment list being lame--why so?

    Leave off the first three that deal with worship of God (the division of Commandments that St. Augustine used in the 300s is the one Catholics and Lutherns use, while most Protestants and Eastern Orthodox use the listing you gave. The Augustinian list combines one and two, taking cae of yore redundancy worry.

    Four is Honor Father and Mother--why is that lame? It don't say love them, some ain't so lovable, but to honor them is to behave well toward them as a measure of yoreself--if they ain't worth a bullet, you is better'n that, so honor them (not meaning to be used by them).

    Five is Do Not Murder (kill is not an accurate translation, sugar, the Hebrew or Aramaic word memans murder--taking of INNOCENT life).Why is They Shalt Not Murder lame in yore eyes Forest Light?

    So six is adultery--should be pretty simple to see the wisdom here..
    Seven is Thy Shalt not Steal...why is this one lame? Seems a good policy for living in peace to me.

    EIght is Thy Shalt Not Bear False Witness ....do not lie..why is this lame?? Seems rather rational to me.


    Nine is Thy Shalt not Covet thy Neighbors Wife...again, waht is lame here? Of course we already have the adultery one, b ut this adresses an attitude, not an action...it very precisely goes to the heart of the cause of adutlery, but more--to the reality of coveting as a desire for waht is not yours or your due.

    Ten is Thy Shalt Not Covet they Neighboors goods, his ox, his house, his field..." Again what is "lame" anout this? Coveting what others have leads to violating the other Commandments--coveting can bring a person to lie, to steal, to kill --and to idolatry, to putting desire for material posession and pleasures over God.

    What is lame about this?


    FL: And anyway, God is the one that tempted Adam and Eve in the garden...What kind of idiot-God would be able to create the universe and everything in it, and then mess it up so royally!! "

    NO pet, it was Satan, who tempted them. Not God. And as above--God Did not want sheeple, so He does not stop our free wills from choosing ill. We'uns are the one who done messed up paradise royally. Not God.


    FL said: " If God wanted you to be a mindless sheep and just ‘believe on faith’, then he wouldn’t have put the tree of knowledge at your front door. AGAIN, if God wanted you to believe in HIM on faith and love of God alone, then there would be no point of revealing the tree of knowledge. Why did He put the tree there and tell you not to eat it? "


    I think ya knows why, darlin'. He had only ONE prohibition in the entire world. "Doan eat from this tree." Without that tree you'd be nothin but a cardboard paperdoll in a play-like world. Nothin' you did would have merit or meaning if you had NO chocie but to do good since you could not choose otherwise. Free will is an aweful--awe filled--honor and priviledge.

    Now think deeply here. Animals have no moral choices--they simply follow their programmed instincts, behavior traits. An alligator that eats a boy fishin by the lake ain't "guilty" of nothin' but being a gator.

    But you...ah? You DO have choices beyond instinct. You are created in the likeness of God, who has free will. So do you. The purpose of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is the signifier of your freedom Forest Light.

    FL said: "The book was written by crafty men who were trying to organize a rambunctious society. They were trying to make the point that you shouldn't ask questions. 'Do it because we said so.' Noble goals for the times, but this is thousands of years later. It’s time for a more sophisticated spirituality. "


    Well. puddin', first the bible was not written by a group of men from one era or society or tribe...it was written (under inspriation from the Holy Spirit) over hundreds of years and different men. And it was not to control rambunctious society, but is a chronicle of God's relationship with mostly faithless children and what their poor choices bring --

    When yore child has a wreck that leaves him with an amputated foot, yore advice not to speed will sound "rational" and not as a restriction against curiosity.

    God does want us to be curious and to discover the world He made and gave to us...but there are good or bad ways to discoer things. I doan need no cancer to "discover" that I doan want it. I doan want that experience, but if I have it, doan'cha jes' know I'll be warnin' others not to smoke, and some will hear and some will refuse the information.

    That is what the bible is, a record of what was heard and what was ignored and what happened in each case.


    As for the need for a more "sophisticated spirituality" now that another thousand years has gone by, why would we need that when we have not managed the basics? Think some "sophistication" will stop theft? Covetousness?

    Well, if yore ready for a deeper spirituality notice that Jesus has one fer ya'...where the Commnadmment says do not murder, Christ goes furuther -do not even get angry-- do not get angry with a brother, as anger is the precursor of assault.

    And when the Rich Young Man came to Him asking what MORE should he do since he kept the all the commandments, Jesus said, go sell your possessions, give them to the poor and follow Me." But if you have not burned the book yet, you know that this young man "went away sad, because he had many possessions"

    Ya see? We are too attached to the "things" of this world and not enough attached to God. That is deeper spriituality--forsaking all that is legitimately good for something better--God Himself , the maker of all those "things" we thik will make us happy-----
    or sophisticated.

    Oh, and Velvy, Pascal was a fervent believer in God. (See Pensées, where Pascal shows that it is RATIONAL to believe in God)

    K-9, uh huh, you added "Then the eyes of our soul grow dull. Reason
    proclaims itself sufficient to understand every-thing, without the aid of God. "

    That is it--very wise thought from your source--if human "reason" could explain God, then God would be much much to small to qualify as God. Just as moral sense grows dull from repeated immorality, so to does "reason" when we use it to pursue what is contrary to reason.

    The Universe has a sppeciified order to it. There is an order-er. Any other thought is irrational and unscientific in that science has no hypothesis that explains how matter got here in the very first place---

    Wwhy is there something... instead of nothing?

     

  • At 12:14 PM, Blogger Infinitesimal said…

    SUZI sed:
    "oh and infinitesimal. when a person's spirit is dead you can house some ''unearthly things'' in your soul. always a counterfeit to the real thing."

    WTF? Did you just say that my spirit is dead and my soul houses unearthly things?

    I hope that's just a "translation" thing because it sure just does sound like some kind of backhanded curse to me.

     

  • At 5:37 PM, Blogger light in the forest said…

    First of all, let me send out some major love to all you out there that read this stuff. Thanks!

    Gone Native – amazing flower composition and beautiful flow of words.

    In the forest, weeds socialize their offspring. Weeds yearn to partake of the world. Weeds raise families underground and teach their children to travel through dirt until they reach roots, and then climb to reach for the sun. Weed says, “Mama didn’t teach me to eat cow, Mama taught me to squeeze shrub so I can capitalize on light. I hope I won’t freeze in winter, be chopped off from my family, or be eaten by bugs. I’ll send out my babies and teach them all I know because I love them like my Mama loved me.”

    Suzisword – sweat pea! You said God “showed me [you] that we find what we look for.” I encourage you to look for knowledge to back your solid faith so that you can better help the longing nonbelievers such as myself. I wish all the time that God would come to me and blow my paradigm as you say. The fact that I want Him to and He doesn’t, fuels my desire to make you realize that you are fooling yourself with silly stories although I highly respect your spiritual nature - cool.

    In the forest, mama bear nuzzles her baby and buries her nose in his soft fur. He smells like joy she thinks to herself and takes another deep and thoughtful inhale. It makes me happy to feed him and protect him. Rightly, I would kill anything that tries to harm him because I love him so!

    K9 – frogs have taken over! Peace, brother.

    In the forest, bellies of the frogs roll with excitement. Frogs know the setting sun brings a party at the bewitching hour. They finish primping and quietly make their way to the venue and search for friends. A group of boy-frogs push their way to the center of the gathering where energy will be highest. At the appropriate hour, as is custom, frogs on the fringe croak first with a laugh, and like a wave, the croaking chatter rolls-in from the giggling periphery to the center mosh pit of chortling where they sing nineteen to the dozen and have a grand ‘ole time.

    Infinitesimal – Because you are so cute, I tried to get in to the Sitchen thing but I just don't get it. I like to think there’s life on other planets but naming the planets and the races that live there is a little too...? Maybe I read the wrong thing.

    Sunshine was wearing a pink dress on her first-self, a red dress on her second-self and a green dress on her third. Her millions of other-selves were also brilliantly clothed. She loved where her first-self was in the cosmos best because she could be with her friends and watch the stars in the nursery where the newborn baby-light was growing.

    And Aunty Belle – Wow! I am so happy that you took the time to try to set my heathen ways straight! I have long longed for this debate. I engage my friend Emma, the Jehovah’s Witness, who comes with a new convert once a month or so, but she ends up praising me, smiling politely, and leaving literature.

    If I was going to find God, I seriously think it would be through some epiphany arrived at during a question and answer session just such as this. I haven’t read your response carefully yet but I printed it out, so let’s see what happens. Hopefully when you read my reply, you too will have an open mind. But, are you allowed to have an open mind? Does God want you to think of Him and nothing else? If you ponder other possibilities, are you behaving too much like Eve and will you effectively be damning yourself to H*))? If I listen to my heart and look for God but never find Him, never have a relationship with Christ, why would I be punished? Would God rather me betray my heart or live as a paper doll?

    In Genesis there is ‘proof’ that the Bible is a metaphor. Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.” And again in Genesis 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’” Technically that’s not what happened. After the forbidden snack, they didn’t die, they lived to populate the planet. The Bible says that Adam lived for 930 years and then died. Evidently God meant something different than you eat fruit, you die. Since not even I would call God a liar, God speaks in metaphor through the men that wrote the Bible.

    Purists might take a literal approach and say Adam and Eve really had eternal life and by eating the fruit they gave up eternity in the Garden of Eden, but if you take a literal approach in one place, you must take it throughout the Bible. For the literalists, don’t forget Deuteronomy 13 where it tells you to kill all non-believers, including your own child if she doesn't walk the proper narrow path. But we seem like a cool headed group that will agree that the Bible is written in metaphor.

    The dictionary says a metaphor applies a word or phrase to an object or concept it does not literally denote, in order to suggest a comparison with another concept as in ‘A mighty fortress is our God,’ or ‘Eat the fruit and you will surely die’.

    Metaphors are open to interpretation. The Bible is open to interpretation. In the New Testament 1 Peter 2:18 it says, “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.” Our society has used reason to interpret this as a metaphor, not as a rationalization to have slaves.

    The problem with directing your spirituality towards the Bible is that you are locked in to a way of thinking that is not based on anything really. By using metaphors, we are all free to interpret as we see fit, there is no standard of meaning in the Bible. You see it your way, I see it my way, etc. If I am willing to believe in things that can’t be proven, then I should accept the possibility that there are flying carpets. Why not? You’ve never seen one? You’ve never seen a lot of things that exist. I am not trying to disprove God, I am trying to help you see that you don’t have enough information to determine for sure that He is there.

    Unless you believe in the Bible as Actual Truth, word for word, you are actually Agnostic. Why? Because you can never be sure of how God intended the Bible to be read and accepted. Did He mean for you to kill your own children? It does say specifically that you should if they don’t believe. Should we all be slaves or have slaves? The New Testament does tell us to be good slaves to receive God’s favor. If you choose to ignore these things, good. You are using your rationale mind to make choices that override God. You cannot be sure. You are Agnostic.

    Why do I want you to be Agnostic instead of Christian or Catholic? Because I have a hunger to learn more, to be amazed, to have my paradigm blown. If all the Christians in the world were searching like I am, I’m sure they would discover some really cool stuff.

    Here are some other musings - why didn’t God just cut to the chase, skip Adam and Eve, and make Jesus first? Man gets made from dust? – no wonder we’re all dumb as dirt.

    The Bible doesn’t say that Eve decided to start worshipping the snake as a false God. Are you reading into The Book what you want it to say? If the Garden was such a perfect paradise, why did it have a disguised, evil tree in the middle of it? Because God wanted man to choose to love Him from free will? There’s that metaphor 22 again. Eve didn’t choose to love the serpent instead of God. She didn’t choose to slight God. She chose to exercise her supposed free will. Without prior knowledge of evil, since everything in the Garden was good, how was she to know what God’s metaphor meant when He said she would die if she ate that fruit? Did God want her to act Blonde?

    Why do we so easily buy the parallel that choosing the forbidden is like damning ourselves and evil. Why don’t we have a problem with God not spelling it out for the new girl? God could have said, “Eve, if you eat that fruit it means you are choosing to not love Me. I know it’s pretty food but...” Eve may have loved God wholeheartedly and still eaten the fruit. Love is not the same thing as obedience. If God really loved Eve, He wouldn’t have put that evil tree in her garden.

    Maybe God didn’t want Eve to gain wisdom.
    Stop reading right now. God clearly wants you to be stupid. He wants you to say, “Yes, father, no father, whatever you say father” because if we were mindless and obedient we’d all be in the Garden right now. Why else would Daddy put the tree in the Garden where A&E were working? All they had to do was remain stupid and not mess with the pretty tree in the very middle of the Garden that had fruit that was good for food and was pleasing to the eye. Sweetly, Eve shared her food with hubby like a good-girl but inadvertently she doomed all of mankind because she didn’t take God literally. God is free to speak to us through the Bible in metaphor, but we are required to take those messages literally? Literally how?

    The stories of the Bible developed for a reason. What could have really been the reason? What happened? The Romans happened. Society went nutty. Birds were sleeping with cats, and pigs were wearing togas and screwing little boys. The rationalism of the Greeks twisted into an experience that got overrun by a bunch of drunk and rowdy, sheet-wearing, multi-God worshipping pirates. Any Joe in the market could come up with a crackpot story like Beefalos, God of the Furry, who insisted that the neighbors give Joe their hides and warm socks. People were afraid. Decent Roman citizens wanted the nut-bag Roman army types to behave so they had to create something bigger than Zeus and Poseidon so one omnipotent God was a choice. That God made sense then, not so much now.


    If there is a God, He would not want you to be stupid. How am I going to get my ‘ho daughter back from the pimp in the red light district? Of course I’m going to let her come home with Snac Daddy. How else am I going to talk some sense into her? Him I might have to end up killing if it comes to it, but she needs to be at home where I can set her right because obviously something is hella wrong. Why is it so easy for you to equate eating an apple with being a pedophile ‘ho? The Bible says that the only thing Eve did wrong was to disobey God’s request to not eat that fruit. If the entire Bible is one big metaphor, then what makes any of it real? Really real? I know ‘real’ is a tricky word, but plenty of people in society believe that God is real and they base that belief on a storybook. Like I said, what stops you from believing there is a carpet that can fly? It’s written about in a very very old book.

    About the 10 Cs – I said God was lame, not the 10 Commandments. God is lame because He wants people to love Him out of free will, but He punishes them for eternity if they don’t. Hey, you’re invited to a party and you can freely decide to come or not to come. If however, you don’t come (if you choose to not love God), even though you are a really good person otherwise, if you choose to not come to My party then you will burn in H*)) for eternity. The party in paradise is cool, but don’t eat that fruit. Sarcastically I say that’s where the logic of stoning one’s own children comes from. Would you stone your child to death or kill him another way because he wanted to be a Buddhist? Deuteronomy 13 says to.

    You say that God does not want sheeple, yet according to the Bible, you must freely choose and want to be a sheeple or you will be punished. So God must be fine with the fact that some of us will burn for eternity or He’d change it. The God of the Bible doesn’t care if some of us burn in H*)) or not, because like I have hypothesized in previous posts, the purpose of life is to experience and learn. It's not just evildoers that don't believe.

    I think you are wrong about one thing. God tempted Eve, not Satan, because God put the beautiful tree in the center of the Garden of Eden in the first place. God supposedly created everything, including evil because without the light and the dark, according to you we would be cardboard paper dolls in a play-like world and according to me, God, if there is one, likes checking stuff out, no matter what it is.

    I haven’t said recently how much I adore you, Aunty Belle, for honoring me with your insight. As much as I disagree, I truly value the fact that you are willing to share your thoughts with me and anyone else that cares to read it.

    We desperately need a more sophisticated spirituality for the very reason you site as holding on to a philosophy that is clearly not working. It’s not working! Agnostics believe that there needs to be more information in order to be able to form an opinion.

    I added this point to the beginning of my post, but this is where it occurred to me originally: You say that the Universe has a specified order to it and that it has an order-er, and you also say that “if human ‘reason’ could explain God, then God would be much much to small to qualify as God” and don’t get scared, but Aunty Belle, you have just revealed that you are Agnostic. You are right, Human reason cannot explain God. Reason is the only channel the mind can run on to explain the world around us. Unless you are ready to believe in flying carpets, you are stuck in the mode of reason. Trying to change the channel to Faith? Faith is a belief that is not based on proof. If you are willing to believe things that are not based on proof, then you must consider that flying carpets are real, since reason is not a requirement for you to believe. If you do not need proof to believe in a thing, then you cannot be sure of anything at all, since you require nothing to believe it. You, therefore, are Agnostic.

    You too Suzisword. If you are not murdering nonbelievers on a daily basis, then you are Agnostic. You too K9. You have figured out for yourself that you need to override what God said.

    Human reason cannot explain God. I hereby proclaim the 21st century the Age of Agnostics. We are a nation of the spiritually hungry and we can improve our lives, the lives of our friends, our planet and our chances of survival if we let technology guide us into the spirit world. Is the world really round? Yes. Will a man ever land on the moon? Yes. Will we be able to speak to a person thousands of miles away on a little device? Yes. What other invisible realms are there? How does all the energy and matter in the universe work? How does life begin? What are black holes? Is there other life in the Universe? What is time, really? What chemical controls compassion? What happens when we die? Could we find a way to live forever? How do we achieve peace on earth? How can we add to existence? There are so many more questions to ask, never mind find answers to.

    In the forest, a focused idea came to light. Many invisible friends pondered its truth and relevance. The focused idea was glowing like burgeoning lady slippers pink and tender, potentially blossoming under sweet shrub. Ripe was the possibility of the focused light growing in its little sweet shrub nursery. The invisible friends cast a glow like that from dancing little girls in pink satin dresses. They gathered around the nursery like fanciful frogs gathering to celebrate a noisy revelry. The highest energy was forming in the center at the new experience of light. On the fringe two mama bears hugged each other in congratulations for already successfully raising their cubs. None of the joyful onlookers knew that many loving mama weeds had sent their cherished babies through many miles of darkness on a direct path to the nursery in hopes of finding light.

     

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  • At 3:33 PM, Blogger Aunty Belle said…

    Smile...Hang on Forest Light...(love yore sketch on K-9!)

    Aunty Belle is anxious to explore yer thought out response--but Granny is on the way to the hospital--again..gotta run, but save a place fer Aunty B--I'll be back, chile!

     

  • At 11:50 PM, Blogger Aunty Belle said…

    Yoo-hooo! Aunty is back ter take -up the discussion again...

    but mercy, ForestLady Light, you done had a lot on yer mind and laid it all out LONG LONG...mercy. Better get a cup o' coffee (a mug of mead? What does a Forest Light prefer?)

    Well, here we goes, from the top of yer last musing:


    FL said: "Wow! I am so happy that you took the time to try to set my heathen ways straight!"
    ......
    ...............well, Forest Light, Aunty Belle ain't tryin' to set yore ways straight, youse a free agent. But I does hope to make some clarification whar folks have a misconception about what Christianity is and teaches. Folks is still free, of course, to sidestep or reject it outright--but I guess they oughta at least have the correct info in order to determine how they wanna go.

    FL " I have long longed for this debate. I engage my friend Emma, the Jehovah’s Witness, who comes with a new convert once a month or so, but she ends up praising me, smiling politely, and leaving literature. "

    ...........Here is a place to start the cllarifying...Jehovah's Wintesses ain't technically Christian. Ya see, they doan belleive that Jesus is God, they reject tje Christian teachin' of the Trinity. They teach Jesus is a good guy, a prophet, but not God. All the same, I ain't criticizin' the JW's, jes' pointin' out that they ain't Christians--i.e., followers of Christ.

    FL wrote: "f I was going to find God, I seriously think it would be through some epiphany arrived at during a question and answer session just such as this. I haven’t read your response carefully yet but I printed it out, so let’s see what happens."
    ........
    ..................that's right decent of ya...have ya had a chance to do that?

    FL: "Hopefully when you read my reply, you too will have an open mind."

    ...........shur tryin' ter keep it open enough good-spiirited discussion.

    FL: " But, are you allowed to have an open mind? Does God want you to think of Him and nothing else? If you ponder other possibilities, are you behaving too much like Eve and will you effectively be damning yourself to H*))? "

    ...........why shur, puddin', God does want us to have open minds so we can see what all He put heah fer us to learn. Ponderin' is a real good thang ter do, and other possibilities is fine to consider and study--shur. But jes' keep in mind that the honest mind and heart seeks truth--objective reality.

    This means we cain't be lookin' only at those belief systems that cater to our own proclivities or presumptions or fashionable but fletting ideas. We MUST be searching fer the Truth wherever it takes us. The thang that is tough 'bout this is that sometimes Truth is real uncomfortable , so we wanna reject it rather than deal wif it..so I'se thinkin that wehat's needed if ya is truly searchin' is an open mind and COURAGE too.

    FL: "If I listen to my heart and look for God but never find Him, never have a relationship with Christ, why would I be punished? Would God rather me betray my heart or live as a paper doll?

    ............course not...IF ya truly seek (that ain't a casual look around, to seek is to be dilligent in the search)God, but never find Him youse s'pposed to follow yer heart. But that doan happen--seekers find. God leaves big ole' clues fer ya--startin' wif the order ya see in all that is created.

    FL "in Genesis 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’” Technically that’s not what happened. After the forbidden snack, they didn’t die, they lived to populate the planet. The Bible says that Adam lived for 930 years and then died. Evidently God meant something different than you eat fruit, you die. Since not even I would call God a liar, God speaks in metaphor through the men that wrote the Bible."

    ...........Well, technically that IS what happened. The sin of Adam and Eve introduced corruption into creation. Originally, there was no corruption on earth, not in man, not in nature--everything was created good (And God Saw that it was Good!).

    After that chomp on the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Adam lived for quite awhile, but he did physically die... the original plan of creation had no death in it-- God never created death. Original intent was for Adam to live in paradise with no death, no work, no pain, no black spot on the roses, no mites on the tomatoes, or fleas on dogs.

    The creation of the world in all its beauty is a communication of God to Man, a gift, and an image of God as Creator. When ya see a paintin' by an artist, something of that artist is revealed in that work--not everything about the artists, but a indication of the artist's mind/heart/being-ness. Death and corruption was no part of God's creation. Adam, Eve and God were friends and one could say that Adam and Eve lived in original holiness (Whole-ness). Their divine filiation--as children of God-- was not compromised, but was full and WHOLE (no part missiing). Furthermore, thheir bodiies and spirits were wholly intergrated--that is, they worked in concert , not fightin' agin each other--ya ever had yore body press ya to do one thang, but yore soul wanted ter do another??

    Becasue Adam and his bride done bit the bitter fruit-- and this is metaphor fer usurping knowledge that God did not want them to experience--, corruption in the form of knowledge of evil was loosed into creation. Now creation is marred. It's perfection is lost, and death enters the picture, literally
    See, FL, what that bite constitutes is a trust in or belleif in the snake's counsel rather than God's counsel. It is a dsiobedience of the first(literally) order. It is not that Eve worshipped the Snake, but that she chose of her free will to reject what God taught them and to put her trust in what the Snake said. She betrayed God who made her and loved her, rejecting His care. Why..because that dammned snake appealed to her vainty--"ye shall be as gods" the snake tole' her. Uh-huh...She already KNEW God, knew He creted the universe, knew He loved them, but the Snake promised her ridiculous thang--tha they could be gods. What pride, what arrogance.

    (imagine a kid wif a fresh hot off the press degree from Ive League, whose Daddy give's him a place in the company--a great place, but not the CEO 's office--which is Dad's office. The kid has it made, but the former whiz kid recently fired from the company takes the kid out fer a beer and says, "Geez, ya Dad is and authoritarian ole bastard, keeping the good office fer hisself...looky, jes read this Secret Plan that Dad's been keepin' from ya' and you'll be ready to take over Daddy's CEO postion."

    Now theys living with the new knowledge of evil --hence the sudden awareness that they were naked--"naked" only has meaning when a compromised mind and heart is tempted by the sight of the Other's nakedness to misuse the beloved fer one's own personal purposes. Before, in innocent nakedness, they were pure of heart and their only approach to each other was as mutual gifts to each other...but now that innocence is lost and they perceive nakedness as the exposure of their newly impure hearts, with selfish desires, the loss of that mutuality.

    Now all this points out an important thang, FL. It is that God gave man the endowment of free will --so the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is God's release of Man to that free will. God took a huge risk, trustin' man wif free will...but it is better'n creatin puppets on a stringisn't it?

    Man has an obligation to repect His creator, including the prohibition against eating the fruit of that tree. It is the great tragedy that they used their will to do ill, but without that tree, we'd be paper dolls, as ya say. Imagine the great grief of God--Our Father--when Man sinned...and now all the evil that comes with know good from bad and still doin' bad rains down on Adam.

    Parents know this same sorrow in a dim way--we trust our young'uns to do, or not do somethin' of importance, and they have fee will, and some doan use it wisely and then the parent cain't fix it fer them when the consequnces hit the kid in the gut...

    Summation of this point: Adam DID die from eating the fruit--first a spritual death that drew a veil over his eternal destiny--heaven, and that spritual death cut Adam off from the grace, or dircet communion with God, face to face...and also a physical death, though delayed for years.

    FL: "if you take a literal approach in one place, you must take it throughout the Bible."

    .............the bible IS methaphor in some places-- but not all--in other places it is quite literal. The same way that I can instrucct mah chillen's by direct advice or command, or I can use a cautionary tale like Little Red Riding Hood.

    If I accept the bible as metaphor in one place I ain't obliged to read it that way straight through, honey...it depends on how it is written.

    FL: "Metaphors are open to interpretation. The Bible is open to interpretation. In the New Testament 1 Peter 2:18 it says, “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.” Our society has used reason to interpret this as a metaphor, not as a rationalization to have slaves. "

    ...........sigh...one thang Aunty Belle needs ter say is that we'uns shur ain't gonna accomplish heah what it takes years of study ter do--right now we ain't gonna settle everythang that can worry us in the bible--that takes a heap o' learning and study of history, language, culture etc... unles one is willing to trust God and simply go wif it--and it's OK not to be of that mind, to wanna study and ponder.

    But suffice it ter say that slavery was not condoned by God, but was a system devised by mankind.. even so the context of slavery in ancient times is not like 1850s America. Slaves at the time of Christ included well born Greeks who were taken as slaves by Romans. These greeks serv ed in Roamn hoseholds as tutors, adviors, musicians etc....and were often rather beloved. Not asying it's right, jes' sayin it weren't aleays what WE think of as slavery.

    But the larger point in that bible verse ya quote is that yore status as slave or free, amle or female, rich or poor had NOTHIN' to do wif how much God loves ya, or yore ability to know and love God or be a good Christian.


    FL: "Unless you believe in the Bible as Actual Truth, word for word, you are actually Agnostic."

    ..........ooops, not quite, honey.
    An Agnostic is a person who is not takin' a stand on whether God exists or doesn't exsit.

    SO, a person can beleive that God exists, but not believe that the bible is literal. But, that person should study deeply, fer if in fact the bible is th Word of God, it behoves belleivers in God to discern what the bible is tellin' us.




    FL: "Why do I want you to be Agnostic instead of Christian or Catholic? Because I have a hunger to learn more, to be amazed, to have my paradigm blown. If all the Christians in the world were searching like I am, I’m sure they would discover some really cool stuff."

    ..........of course, cause God made all the really cool stuff. Christians take delight in the world since God made it, and they doan fear searching annd thinkin' and ponderin'--it's good fer em'.

    FL: "Here are some other musings - why didn’t God just cut to the chase, skip Adam and Eve, and make Jesus first?

    ...........well, sweetie, because if ADAM and EVE had NOT sinned, then they'd be no need of Jesus the Savior, the perfect sacrifice.

    FL" "Man gets made from dust? – no wonder we’re all dumb as dirt."

    ......that's a dern good point. Since we are made from the "dust of the earth" we ain't smart enough to set ourselves up as Gods.


    FL: "The Bible doesn’t say that Eve decided to start worshipping the snake as a false God. Are you reading into The Book what you want it to say?""

    ...........no it doesn't, yer right. What it says is that she chose to do what the sanke told her to do rather than what God told her to do--she betrayed a trust out of pride and arrogance. But not a false worship.

    FL: "If the Garden was such a perfect paradise, why did it have a disguised, evil tree in the middle of it? "

    ...........that tree wasn't disguised, God clearly identiified it and its location and said don't touch it.


    FL: "Because God wanted man to choose to love Him from free will? There’s that metaphor 22 again. Eve didn’t choose to love the serpent instead of God. She didn’t choose to slight God. "

    .......oh I'd say she shur as heck did--didn't God tell her plain not to touch that tree? She shur did slight God. No--she didn't love the snake, but she did love herself so much she thought it be great to be her own god (Devil said "ye shall be as gods") Ain;t that what we all try to do too? Make our own rules, be our own gods? Looky--we's created , we did not make ourselves. Got any idea of a car would be that says "to heck with the owner's manual, I'll choose sand for my tank, not high test gas". We were made, and God knows what is best fer optimum health.

    FL: "She chose to exercise her supposed free will. Without prior knowledge of evil, since everything in the Garden was good, how was she to know what God’s metaphor meant when He said she would die if she ate that fruit? Did God want her to act Blonde?

    .....She knew God said don't touch it and that was a direct command, not a metaphor. Why didn't she trust God?

    Looky, one thang is important:
    exercising our free will is NOT a neutral--we are free to exercise it, but we are choosing the consequences of the choice also. You cain't have it be free will if the consequences are the same either way, otherwise the choice would be pointless to make and thus you would NOT be free, only mechanical. So shur, eve was free to choose, but she chose evil and thus evil consequnces followed. Ya gets what ya choose.

    Ya can choose ter smoke five packs a day, but ya's choosing yeller teeth or emphesyma too. Or cancer. Choses have consequences.

    FL: "If God really loved Eve, He wouldn’t have put that evil tree in her garden. "

    .......it seems that way, but when ya' thinks on it some ya'll see that
    the Tree of KOGAE is a necessity in order fer mankind to have free will--there has to e a chocie to be made , if ya have NO choices, ya have no free will.

    Remembr, God will respect yore choices in this heah world--He will give ya the ten Commandments as a good guide, but ya can reject 'em
    or accept 'em. Iffin ya reject them, ya made ya choice and God don't undo ya choice--he respects yore choice and let's ya have yore way. No matter how much it hurts Him...He still won;t turn ya into that paper doll bu negating yore choice.

    FL: "Metaphors are open to interpretation. The Bible is open to interpretation. In the New Testament 1 Peter 2:18 it says, “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.” Our society has used reason to interpret this as a metaphor, not as a rationalization to have slaves. "

    ...............now heah is a tough spot. THis verse is not a metaphor--it is not a justification fer slavery, but it is a literal instruction to accept yore condition in life, rather than commit a sin of yore own--in other words, rather than do violence to escape slavery , better to be a good slave and trust that God will use that situation to bring good from evil (THis is pointed out elsewhere in Scripture--Romans 8)

    It is tought to take, I'se knowin' this, but Peter means what he says--and this is also a reason to recognize that the bible is inspried by God--no human would ever think up cooperatin' with yore enslavement on the way to a higher good...it is too far from man's own mind to be from man--it is from God.
    Does this mean GOd wants slaver y fer some? Nope.

    It does mean that yore relative postion in life on earth is NO measure of yore worth in God's eyes. Yore soul is perhaps in far better shape and more dear to God that a righ besotted slaveholder. God's desire is fer ya to know, love and srve Him, and that can be done as a poor man, a slave, a sick woman, and even a dull witted peasant. Eathly condiitions do not dictate our heavenly worth.

    Now, that said, the history of saints shows that where Christians were enslved and were good workers, good persons despite their slavery , taht such exemplary attitudes won over their captors and many were freed, though some were hideously persecuted. Martyrs suffered for the
    sake of their faith--folks don't suffer what somethin' they DON"T belleive in. so ya can see that these martyrs had a higher understanding of the Meaning of Life'and were seeing their heavenly desitiny as the ultimate good, not life on this earth. This is real real hard to take--I'se knowin' it...but many get to the point of understandin' it. Some things is mysteroius to us--but then iffin we could understand everything we'd be God. Our minds cannot hold all there is to know and understand. At some point, FL, faith in Christ must be our guide.

    FL:"People were afraid. Decent Roman citizens wanted the nut-bag Roman army types to behave so they had to create something bigger than Zeus and Poseidon so one omnipotent God was a choice. That God made sense then, not so much now. "

    ......LOL...well, seems ter me that folks is still afraid, still want "nutbags" to behave --and they don't--so we's still needin' something bigger that Zeus...and we have Him, thank God.

    Looky, human nature doan change--or evolve, as it is same now as ever it were...same as Romans.. and even back ter the Babylonians..but individuals who follow Christ do change significantly --ususally a process of change, a gradual jorney closer and closer to the Son of God.


    FL: "If there is a God, He would not want you to be stupid. How am I going to get my ‘ho daughter back from the pimp in the red light district? Of course I’m going to let her come home with Snac Daddy. How else am I going to talk some sense into her? Him I might have to end up killing if it comes to it,"

    ...............ah? Yep. now ya got it. "him I might have to end up killing". Well, FL, the him ya means is the symblol fer satan. And God won't kill him, but God will whup him and consighn satan to hell fer eternity. (killin is too good fer that evil thang) This is the story line--Eve and hubby had deed and title to pradise--all the earth really (dominion over al the earth) and they handed the deed over ter Satan when they chose to obey the snake rather than God--they threw in wif the snake, ya see? So snake takes a hold of them and the earth...now Adam was tempted and caved, But when Jesus comes, he is a human as well as God, He is tempted by satan too, like Eve and Adam. See Matthew 4:1-11.

    Notice in that scene that the devil takes Christ up a high mountain and tells Jesus that he, the devil, will give all the kingdoms of the earth to Jesus if only Jesus will bow down and worship satan...but Jesus will not. What is interesting is that satan has posession of the "kingdoms of the earth" and he does, as Adam abdicated it to him...and Jesus does not correct satan's claim to have the right to give them away, Jejsus knows satan has possession of the kingdoms of the earth--but Jesus tells the damn snake that man is to worshiop ONLY God, and satan departs.


    FL: " but she needs to be at home where I can set her right because obviously something is hella wrong."

    ...........oh yeah, somethin is wrong--that kid was raised right, but she chose wrongly out of pride, rebeliion--whatever-- and now evil has a hold of her butt--literally.
    And she cain't fight it off alone. So you--the mama--or a symbol of her creator, will make the sacrifice to save her--even as far as killin' her captor.

    FL: "Why is it so easy for you to equate eating an apple with being a pedophile ‘ho? The Bible says that the only thing Eve did wrong was to disobey God’s request to not eat that fruit. "

    ................eating the apple---well the bible doan say it was an apple, that idea is from Medieval artists. The bible says it was KNOWELDGE of good and evil--this is the recognition of what is right or wrong experientially, not intellectually. (think how the verb to know is used --Adam "knew" his wife...the same word form in Hebrew is an indicator that they "bit" the "fruit" meaning they experienced and evil act--not just became aware that such a thing was possible, but the actual experience of it. We do not know what, precisely that was.

    But, FL, I'm not equating biting the apple with being a pedophile. That b ite is a metaphor fer experiencing something forbidden--we know not what.


    FL: "If the entire Bible is one big metaphor, then what makes any of it real? Really real? I know ‘real’ is a tricky word, but plenty of people in society believe that God is real and they base that belief on a storybook."

    ........the entire bible is NOT metaphor--much of it is literal, some of it is poetry, some is prophecy.


    FL: "Like I said, what stops you from believing there is a carpet that can fly? It’s written about in a very very old book."
    ..........
    ................because the revelations in scripture are too un.ike other belief systems and contrary to human nature--"love your enemies" "turn the other cheek" to be man witten. Plus, theevents given in it are historical--contemporay writers oof the t imes corroborte what is wirtten there. Also,the prophecies have happened, and the information given has practical application (such as slaughter and food laws in an age of no refrigeration)

    FL: "About the 10 Cs – I said God was lame, not the 10 Commandments. God is lame because He wants people to love Him out of free will, but He punishes them for eternity if they don’t. "

    .......punsihes them? No He doesn't sugar, He simply permits them to have their way--they chose it willfully. He cain't make you want to come to His party, so when He does not FORCE you to come, how is that punishment? If you reject His invitation why is that punishment?

    Thereare two choices--to come or not to come. He honors yore choice darlin', He does not punish you, you have the freedom to choose. If you don't choose Him, don't want Him , why should you be forced to be with Him?

    Of course, yore question begs another--if ya don't belive in God, why worry about what doesnlt exist--no God, no punishment, right?

    But if ya do believe, but still reject His invitation...now ya's in deep trouble. Cause He won't force ya to cme to His party--back to the analogy of the errant daughter in the red-light district...ifffin' she won't come home, no matter what ya does fer her, should ya force her? And if ya does, is ya violatin' her right to chose her own path??


    FL: "you say that God does not want sheeple, yet according to the Bible, you must freely choose and want to be a sheeple or you will be punished. So God must be fine with the fact that some of us will burn for eternity or He’d change it. The God of the Bible doesn’t care if some of us burn in H*)) or not, because like I have hypothesized in previous posts, the purpose of life is to experience and learn. It's not just evildoers that don't believe."

    ..............wait, wait...if by nature you cain't fly does that mean that ya is a sheeple fer walking instead?

    See, God does give us free will, He won't snatch it back, and we's free to make the choice and if we choose GOd there are an infinte means and ways of being within His commandments, within His goodness.

    By way of analogy, you have five chillens and you tell em all they must grow up to honor they elders, treat folks fairly, make a contribution to society, and love God wif all they heart.

    The first child is polite to elders,
    is a lawyer that gives time to Legal Aid (to help the poor), and she loves God by working at a homeless shelter once a month. The second child is polite to elders, but cheats on income taxes, but is a fine musician and teaches music at the local high school, Kids love her, she is good to them and loves God with half a heart by making a stab at churchgoing on Easter and Christmas, but contines to cheat on taxes. The third child ignores her elders, won't work and hangs out at the local pool hall whar he is known to buy a bum a sandwich if he has a back or two on him. He drinks too much and is unhealthy. Fourth child
    uses her elders for whatever she can get, steals from yore purse, pushes around the youngest child, laughs at yore house rules, won't do no chores and as soon as she can hitch a ride, leaves home and never writes or calls again, neen ten years sicne ya heard from her. Fifth child is quick to come to the aid of elders and whistles while he works, and honors God with his artiistic ability.

    All these chilllen had same free will but used it differently--they had same rules and some chose to love the family and particpate, some did not--can ya force them to be with ya? to be good or kind? No...ya cain't force them. They live with the consequences of their choice, other wise, it would not be a choice if the outcomes was the same no matter what cjhioce ya made, but witin the good choices htere are thousands of expressions--some are teaachers, some nurses, some are athletes, some are missionaries,--the trick is to be using our taletns as our own unique gift back to God. Freely given back, because we love Him.

    Forest LAdy Light...I'se headed ter bed...mercy , dooen run on and on heah ...so sorry...but seekin' is not a one time t hang, it is a journey, wif sweet spots along the way, and tough spots too--but all add up to a beutiful and personal path to Christ who first loves us and invites us to His side. Seek Him, and doan worry about the rules---He will naturally wooo yer heart nd afore ya knows it, you'll wanna do what He planned fer ya--an it will be good (maybe hard, but good).

    Ya might simply say, "OK God, ain't shur 'bout ya...iffin' youse there, let me know in some meaningful way..even if ya have to thunk me on mah noggin...but let me know youse payin' attention to mah seekin'."

    He doan mind doubt or questioning when it is sincere. Go fer it!

    Youse a pet to read all this!!

     

  • At 6:20 AM, Blogger sparringK9 said…

    /bark bark bark

    just a howl out to my favorite astrophysicist! ive gone fishin' forestlight!the weathers great...rays of light beaming from behind big cumulus thunderheads. looks like God's country to me!!!!!!!!wish you could see it.


    /howl

     

  • At 7:35 PM, Blogger Infinitesimal said…

    Hi
    FLight,

    Summer is way better than blogging, huh?

    i been busy, but I want to engage you in exchange.
    I have exactly zero answers, but i want to ignite discourse.

    See you on a rainy day buddy.

     

  • At 4:43 AM, Blogger sparringK9 said…

    /bark bark bark

    yeah slacker. aint it about time to thrown down another thesaurus requiring challenge?

    /grrrrrr

     

  • At 6:35 AM, Blogger Infinitesimal said…

    19 years ago I chose to sniff cocaine, suck on bathtub LSD and smoke weed and chug everclear.
    but it weren't in no mansion!

    Now I work with at risk kids.

    I was just struck my a similarity to suzi and had to comment.

    Anyway,

    came over to say:

    This post is LAME, yeah, I said it, LAME!!!

    How am I supposed to procrastinate in the morning without you?

    Not fair waiting a month between posts!
    Must be against the official rules somewhere...
    (mutters)

    LAME!
    Wants MORE!!!

    (unlame version please)

     

  • At 6:40 AM, Blogger Infinitesimal said…

    PS:

    Suzi is right.
    excitable, but she 's got it.
    She has the intended message, and the living spirit.
    It seems crazy, almost a gentle possession, but I know what she says is true.

     

  • At 6:44 AM, Blogger Infinitesimal said…

    PPS:

    I dig Simon and Garfunkle

    "Cecelia" is my favorite song, makes me happy.

    It's a rainy day here FLight, where are you?

     

  • At 8:06 PM, Blogger Aunty Belle said…

    Yoo Hoo!! Whar is you LAdy Light in the Forest? Shine yourself over thisaway, please?

    Vanilla Contessa, ya means youse mor'n 19 years old NOW?? Honey...never woulda thought it (smile).

     

  • At 1:12 PM, Blogger sparringK9 said…

    /bark bark bark

    you're gonna get it. im going to start relieving myself in this yard, and i just ate a squirrel. look out! youve been warned/

    bark grrrrrrrrr growlf grrrrrrr*stare* grrrrrrr

    get ta work!

    /grrrrrrrrrrrr

     

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